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        [–]stametsprime[🍰] 2570 points2571 points  (623 children)

        At one time, the general guidance was to change a new car's oil at 1k after the initial engine break-in period.

        [–]imJGott 1226 points1227 points  (497 children)

        I think that idea only works with a brand new rebuilt motor for more power. I work in a Toyota manufacturing plant. In a process we have dyno rollers where we would floor the vehicle until it goes roughly 70-80mph. It’s to check various things but the idea of changing the oil at 1k on a mass produced engine is simply not worth it.

        [–]SweetSewerRat 628 points629 points  (145 children)

        I work at an engine plant, and we do camshaft and piston ring break in. I believe most remanufacturers do as well, but I can't say for certain.

        [–]shitstough 839 points840 points 4624& 12 more (65 children)

        I work at Wendys and we put the fries in the frying basket

        [–]ChequeBook[🍰] 127 points128 points  (14 children)


        And everyone appreacites you. keep up the good work, son.

        [–]joeparker54 18 points19 points  (8 children)

        As lover of square beef and spiced chicken, I feel conflicted in my hatred of wendy's as a doordash driver.

        [–]brufleth 131 points132 points  (6 children)

        Our engines need to be tested for margin. So they're pushed to pretty high power to make sure they can meet spec (with significant margin). It is what our customers expect and important to help track variability (mistakes) in manufacturing.

        [–]mostlywhitemiataNot ASE certified 167 points168 points  (53 children)

        Conventional for the break in too, right? I've heard pure synthetic makes it harder for the rings to seat and might glaze them.

        [–]veerKg_CSS_Geologist 255 points256 points  (49 children)

        Yup. Most breakins are done at the factory now so consumers don't have to them.

        [–]bitoftheolinout 299 points300 points  (28 children)

        Yup. Most breakins are done at the factory now because consumers won't do it and it hurt consumer ratings when their negligence made the car seem less reliable.

        [–]Hattrickher0 146 points147 points  (3 children)

        It's not often you can find a practice that's both consumer AND business friendly so good to see it gets implemented when those sort of things are identified.

        [–]MissVancouver 36 points37 points  (11 children)

        Wow am I happy that I followers the manufacturer's recommendation in my new car.

        [–]KiddieroseCollision Repair 188 points189 points  (102 children)

        Edit-removed bc people can not read.

        [–]emsok_dewe 176 points177 points  (75 children)

        I'm pretty sure that's literally in the owners manual lol when I worked at a Subaru dealer we could deny warranty claims for not following that I do believe.

        [–]Youre10PlyBud 177 points178 points  (53 children)

        I know motorcycles still abide by that. Mine came with a big ole sticker on the tank that said what RPMs I could but for the first 1k. It was like under 6k RPMs for 600 miles, under 8k until 900 then under 10k until 1200 and then oil change. Then I could finally hit that sweet, sweet 13k redline. That's when I realized this bike would get me in trouble as well, since it has a long first gear and redline is already 63 MPH, sooooo... Basically couldn't go through more than one gear.

        I went on a super long road trip the day after buying it, just so I could get that done and over with. Froze my ass off since it was late December and the only road trip I could do involved going through the mountains.

        [–]AdamFtmfwSmith 88 points89 points  (19 children)

        That's just to keep new riders from killing themselves. Give you a few miles to learn how to ride with out red lining every gear.

        Edit: it's a joke guys. Jesus Please read the 50 other comments saying the same shit your getting ready to type out.

        [–]Youre10PlyBud 58 points59 points  (9 children)

        Jokes on them, I nearly killed myself after the break in period. Only partially joking. The day after my oil change, it started pouring rain and my car broke down; took the bike and lowsided out of my apartment parking lot and broke a lot of things. Lol. I was not very happy with myself.

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          [–]Replicaindigo 99 points100 points  (69 children)

          Unless it's a high performance engine from BMW and the likes where the manual calls for a 1,200 mile oil change. I'm guessing the higher load/demand of the engine, closer tolerances, as well as generally higher cost of the engine itself do not warrant risking a normal 5,000-10,000 mile change. Oil is cheap.

          I would also guess an early oil change is beneficial to a Camry, Civic, etc., but requiring such would put off many average customers where low maintenance is a selling point. If you read Blackstone lab reports on cars with first oil changes, they do typically read higher wear metals on the first change due to debris from break-in. Personally for the $40 in materials I would just do it on a new car anyway around 1,200 miles. Especially on a car I intend to keep.

          [–]Replicaindigo 86 points87 points  (44 children)

          Also even with zero miles, I would change the oil at 12 months regardless. I believe most oil manufacturers recommend 1 year regardless of mileage. So 8 months isn't that far off.

          [–]KurtAngus 170 points171 points  (87 children)

          As a mechanic, who changes his oil every 3k regardless.. I think it’s worth the piece of mind do the very first oil change ever on a car, at around 1,200 miles.

          I mean, you may be right, but still. It’s up to the owner. Ive worked for a few dealerships, and I’ve seen guys dog the shit out of cars with only 5 miles on them, and they come back smoking and smelling horrible.

          Maybe it’s just me, but I highly advise at doing an early oil change and taking care of the car and driving slow once purchased, brand new

          [–]Jonnofan 37 points38 points  (13 children)

          Might as well do the first one early, like you said, just for peace of mind. Its not like an oil change costs a fortune.

          [–]somewhat_pragmatic 24 points25 points  (38 children)

          As a mechanic, who changes his oil every 3k regardless..

          Can I ask why you stick with the 3k mile count? Have you had Blackstone tests done showing its needed or just following older guidance?

          [–]Pete_Iredale 23 points24 points  (22 children)

          Not just older, but flat our wrong guidance. Hell, the shop manual for my 1985 Jetta recommended 5000 miles.

          [–]Shigg 9 points10 points  (3 children)

          My owners manual for my 2020 escape stated that the engine will consume excessive oil until approximately 3500 miles, at which point the oil will reach normal consumption levels, so I did my first change at 4k.

          [–]Typically_WongApartment Workshop|NEW HOUSE NEW WORKSHOP! 42 points43 points  (27 children)

          It's still like that based on the new STI owners book. Maintenance is much more often on turbo motors and the STI has a 1k mile break in period where you change the oil and plugs at the end of it

          [–]refreshbot 24 points25 points  (56 children)

          So what changed?

          [–]Aquanauticul 90 points91 points  (18 children)

          Engine manufacturing designs and tolerances, as well as the oil itself. The engines dont behave the same way older ones do, and the oil and its additives are far better at lubrication, cleaning and cooling

          [–]dicaparly 40 points41 points  (17 children)

          And quality control processes. Manufacturers go through millions of dollars worth more QA tests now than they did in the 80s.

          [–]someone755 36 points37 points  (16 children)

          Ah yes, the QA tests of the 80s, when you could sell people a car that would snap oversteer every time you braked too hard on corner entry. I kinda miss that design philosophy of "either learn to drive or fucking explode".

          [–]HalfChocolateCow 17 points18 points  (11 children)

          Yeah I feel like modern safety systems provide a certain level of false security. After driving my E30 I'll drive a new car and I feel invincible since no matter how hard I try the car always seems to prevent me from doing anything stupid. I guess that's the point but it makes me wonder if I would know what to do if I started sliding in the winter where those systems are often ineffective with no forced prior experience.

          [–]Abnormal-Normal 27 points28 points  (8 children)

          Tolerances became tight enough to were the engine was basically broken in at the end of manufacturing it. They used to use a thicker break in oil as well. The rest of the driveline isn’t broken in at the same time though, so you still shouldn’t floor a car with 5 miles on it

          [–]thagthebarbarianService Writer 120 points121 points  (14 children)

          The initial startup and miles on a new engine will wear the rings into cylinder walls, seat internal bearings, and clean out a lot of miscellaneous remnants from the manufacturing process so you want to do the first oil change early just to give a chance for the break-in period to finish and for all that settling and wearing in to happen but not run it with all that stuff floating around/clogging the filter

          It's more commonly a requirement on high performance engines than your normal passenger car

          [–]Aquanauticul 33 points34 points  (10 children)

          I believe a lot of standard consumer cars often have that first step done at the factory as well. I know my first cars from the 80s and 90s had 2 or 3 step oil change intervals for break in, but now its either one after several hundred, or they just have you start the regular cycle from the word go

          [–]lordvadrShade Tree 10 points11 points  (3 children)

          Having sent oil samples for a number of brand new--and newly acquired but used--cars off for laboratory analysis, I know there's a whole lot of shit in a new car's oil that's not in it normally. Among the metals from new-part wear, there's a lot of microscopic sand particles from the casting process lots of parts go through. I've not seen anything convincing on if or how much so this sand is destructive, but I usually do the first oil change at 1/3 the normal interval, and the second one at half, and then resume the normal schedule because of it.

          I'm curious if this is designed around or if it's effects are just ignored. But sand in your oil can't be good.

          [–]Aquanauticul 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          I typically just follow the owner's manual. I'm a mechanic, and at this point I don't go for any more of the one size fits all techniques. Manufacturer says jump, I reference the specifications section to see how high.

          Edit: at a Toro plant ona tour once, had an engineer ask people to not follow their older break in schedules because changing the oil too early on the factory new engine was some kind of problem. That's diesel tractor engines, and a Toro blowhard, so who knows

          [–]animalinapark 71 points72 points  (73 children)

          5k mile oil changes on modern fully synthetic oils is extremely conservative and borderline useless.

          If you drive in normal conditions and allow the engine to reach operating temperature most of the time and stay there for a while, 10k oil changes are absolutely no problem. Even longer if you mostly do long trips at the same rpms.

          Cold starts and boundary lubrication are the biggest cause for wear, normal operation sees virtually no wear.

          All you are doing with 5k changes is wasting money. There are oil analyses done with practically no differences whatsoever to 10k for example.

          [–]agentp725 25 points26 points  (8 children)

          Completely agree with you. I use full synthetic in my little ol 2010 Scion xD and just get it changed every 10k miles or so. She now has over 200k miles and running good.

          [–]DriveByStoningHeavy Equipment 11 points12 points  (5 children)

          The way I drive my Colorado, the oil life computer hits about 10% life every 8,000 miles or so. The oil is still fairly clean by the time I get around to changing it and I've used full synthetic since I drove it off the lot.

          30,000 miles on it with original tires and brakes that will pass another inspection. Highway driving really does extend a vehicle's life.

          [–]Brocko103 18 points19 points  (16 children)

          Agree. People on the Silverado forums were screaming at me for not changing my oil at 1,000 or 2,000. Today I'm almost at 7,000 and 4% oil life remaining according to the truck. Now it is time. I'm sure there's plenty of 4th graders that could program the oil life system to trigger an oil change at 1,500 miles. So if that's what GM wanted, that's what they would do. They also don't want to replace an engine under the powertrain warranty, so I trust that 7k intervals are safe enough.

          [–]Hessarian99 23 points24 points  (9 children)

          Oh dear God 🤣

          Those trucks forums are hilarious and their knowledge of engines and lubricants is seemingly stuck in 1988.....

          [–]UseDaSchwartz 7 points8 points  (7 children)

          Similar to guys in Woodworking forums talking about paint and finish. We’ve come a long way with this stuff since the 70s and 80s Grandpa.

          [–]Diedead666 17 points18 points  (1 child)

          Maybe because it was brand new and engine was still being broken in?

          [–]Shinrinn 23 points24 points  (23 children)

          I did the same with a new car I bought. Piece of mind of knowing what type of oil is in the car. It used to be a big deal with breaking the engine in, but that's not a modern concern.

          [–]1cculu5 13 points14 points  (16 children)

          I mean, any new motor will have some residuals in it, it’s not a bad idea to change the fluid early on to clear some of that stuff out.

          [–]Tactically_Fat 39 points40 points  (6 children)

          you don’t have to get it changed till 5,000

          "you're right. But I'm paying for it to be done anyhow because I want to"

          [–]skiitifyoucan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          Changing STi oil at 1k is not a bad idea. 100% (at least on a Subaru) there will be break in metal in the oil at 1k . Getting it out of the "high" metal oil system is not a bad thing.

          [–]DarkSkyForever 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          The last car I bought new, I had to bring it in after 1k miles to replace the break in oil. Maybe they're not doing that anymore? Or realizing that its fine to leave it for the first 5k?

          [–]subject_deleted 66 points67 points  (3 children)

          Literally made snot come out of my nose. Thanks for that, friend.

          [–]Allup_inyour_mom 498 points499 points  (25 children)

          When we run into this with our older customers, we talk them into changing the oil once a year. Usually before winter so we can check the tires, antifreeze, and battery. In northern Indiana we occasionally have some very cold weather (0-32f, occasionally below 0). We are very upfront with the customer and they are normally more than happy with the advise given.

          [–]lovepig1337 170 points171 points  (8 children)

          Good guy mechanic. Thanks for looking out for dem old people.

          [–]orthros 73 points74 points  (5 children)

          Not sure if I feel comfortable sending my Mom to him tho....

          [–]IAmTheFatman666 28 points29 points  (2 children)

          Also northern Indiana here, sounds like my mechanic, he's a stand up guy.

          [–]Brianthelion83ASE Master Certified[S] 4162 points4163 points  (506 children)

          Little old lady customer of ours, last did the oil change on her 2001 Taurus with 14k miles about 8 months ago and exactly 23 miles ago.

          Tried to explain to her she doesn’t need it but she insisted, she does not want to break down.

          [–]aphex732 858 points859 points  (228 children)

          Question from someone who doesn't know that much about cars - is the time factor really important when it comes to oil changes? My car takes synthetic oil and I only drive about 3k miles/year, but it tells me to change it every 6 months.

          [–]kurtymckurt 802 points803 points  (160 children)

          I was told by a mechanic that it has to do with moisture buildup than oil needing replacement. However, it would take a lot longer than 3-6 months to be come a problem. I’d love some input on that as well.

          Edit: I live in WI with cold winters

          [–]FesteringNeonDistracHome Mechanic 340 points341 points  (73 children)

          On direct injection cars, you also have to be concerned with fuel dilution.

          [–]Tactically_Fat 160 points161 points  (65 children)

          fuel dilution

          And then add in some turbo to the mix...

          Kia / Hyundai has issues... Toyota has issues... Honda has issues...

          [–]Bojamijams2 26 points27 points  (17 children)

          I have a turbo direct injection Kia. What should I be aware of? I get my oil changed every 6000-8000 KM

          [–]OrangeNSilver 19 points20 points  (14 children)

          Different issue, but keep an eye on the intake for oil buildup. Since direct injection doesn’t spray into the manifold, the gasoline isn’t able to clean the intake valves as much and they are more prone to build up in direct injection cars. Turbochargers make this worse because of oil blow-by in the intake

          [–]fretna 66 points67 points  (15 children)

          Toyota? They only sell 2 turbo charged vehicles in north america (supra doesnt count because its not a Toyota powertrain really) in the NX200t and IS200t. Both are astoundingly reliable.

          [–]Under25DontTalkToMe 32 points33 points  (4 children)

          That’s from miles, not time, though.

          [–]solsolidograves 156 points157 points  (20 children)

          Car mechanic here, not car or oil engineer, so I speak of experience. This is true, the oil will deteriorate over time by use and exterior factor, mostly moisture. But if you put good quality oil and you don't have any damages to the engine, ex: leak at the oil pan gasket that will let oil out but also air (and moisture) in, it should last longer. After that you have to take external factors in. If the car is still under warranty, follow the manufacturer's schedule or they won't pay. If you have an older car it depends on not just mileage, but how often and for how long you use the car and in what climate you live. I live in Quebec with rough winters, so I tell my mom and grandma who don't used their car often to do 2 oil changes a year along with the tire change, the oil is not finish, but it's a precaution to protect the engine and avoid problems. There is never a right and predetermined answer on how long the oil is gonna last, because there are to many variables that can change over time, but oil changes are maintenance and not reparations, so it should be done before the oil is not good anymore in prevention. A bit long but I hope this answers your questions.

          [–]killersquirel11 34 points35 points  (9 children)

          along with the tire change,

          Assuming you're talking about swapping summer and winter tires?

          [–]solsolidograves 11 points12 points  (8 children)

          Yes I was talking about summer/winter tires changes. When you do this swap twice a year there's not really a point of only doing front and back swap.

          [–]0ctobogs 43 points44 points  (21 children)

          My wife works r&d at royal purple; she's had a lot of technical training on stuff like this. I'm pretty sure you can wait much longer than 6 months. That's what we do. For how long is too long, I can ask her after she wakes up. Also 5k miles is very conservative. She waits until 9k. Never an issue

          [–]iambobbyvanetti 52 points53 points  (2 children)

          Dude, wake her ass up, the internet is waiting......

          [–]AFewShellsShort 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          I would love to hear what she thinks knowing her job as to how long is to long for people who only do short drives and take forever to hit 5k miles.

          [–]jkjeeper06 23 points24 points  (0 children)

          Its a moisture relatedconcern

          [–]boomjay 80 points81 points  (21 children)

          A lot of people are bringing up moisture buildup. Moisture buildup/cold starts/not getting engine up to temp is a completely separate issue and is not related to oil change intervals. Moisture buildup can cause internal corrosion, but if you turn the car on from time to time it should lubricate well enough to prevent that. This is almost regardless of oil age or usage (just don't use 30k mile oil). Using old used up oil continuously creates sludge issues which are just as problematic.

          Yes, you need to change your oil semi-regularly to prevent the breakdown of the oil. Think of your high school science classes - remember "half-life"? Similar concept here - oil additives break down over time, even if "unused". The oil viscosity also may be affected over time. This is a much smaller concern with synthetic oil, but it's still a concern. Oil does break down with time just as it does with usage, although on much different scales.

          Now, the million dollar question is how long can you go. These bottles sit on the shelf for a while before being used, right? Well, here's the thing - there's no contact with internal engine components. Once you dump that quart into the engine, the additives start to interact with the metals in the block. Corrosion inhibitors are "absorbed" into the metal, etc. The chemical process has begun.

          Realistically - you're probably fine for about 2 years before that oil is considered no longer "good", once that oil has been dumped into the engine. It will still work, but it won't lubricate or protect as effectively. If the oil had sat in the car for 3 years, even with only 40 mikes put on the clock, it's worth changing out just to get new corrosion inhibitor additives into the system, as they've probably been soaked up by the metal.

          Now, is this a problem for granny's corolla? Probably not. But it may shorten the life of the engine for the next owner.

          [–]jasajohn 1225 points1226 points  (115 children)

          Id just drain the oil and put it back in and tell her this change is on the house for being a good customer. (only if shes a regular though)

          [–]46HRL 979 points980 points  (59 children)

          drain it into bottles and use it in my junk.

          [–]SnooHabits8041 480 points481 points  (26 children)

          When I was penniless poor, and had a oil guzzling 78 Formula Firebird , With spark plug non fouling extenders , I would get the used oil from a friend of mine at a garage, kept it in gallon jugs in the trunk, because I couldn’t afford a new quart of oil every 70 miles.

          [–]dayyou 138 points139 points  (14 children)

          lol wtf? a spark plug non fouling extender? you mean a decompression attachment?

          [–]vim_for_life 320 points321 points  (4 children)

          Jokes on you. The 78 firebird didn't have any compression to begin with. #MalaiseEra.

          [–]SnooHabits8041 54 points55 points  (2 children)


          Otherwise the plugs fouled in less than one tank of gas. It had a Chevy 305 engine, not like you’d notice losing any power.

          Looked nice though! Formula hood , Sunset gold paint , 8” slot mags in the front and 10s in the rear.

          The 70 Firebird I bought after this one , had the stock 2 bbl 350 and it was super fast. AND Had working AC .

          I guess 70 was the last year for 10.5 to 1 compression?

          [–]username45031Just cover it in never-seez 106 points107 points  (20 children)

          A local place that services (and sells) bikes and cars does this, bikes into the cars. Edit - that’s after the winter storage. They change oil in fall and drain in spring, into cars.

          This 100% would end up in bottles for me to use later! It’s too good for my lawnmower.

          [–]outcast302 41 points42 points  (19 children)

          Wait they put the used oil from the motorcycles into the cars?

          [–]deviant324 27 points28 points  (7 children)

          I thought we were talking about bicycles and was wondering how you’re supposed to get the oil off the chain...

          [–]Kontakr 29 points30 points  (1 child)

          The bicycles are submerged in oil over the winter. It's the only way to be sure.

          [–]should-be-work 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          bicycles and was wondering how you’re supposed to get the oil off the chain

          With a good balsamic vinegar and a sturdy cracker. I recommend pairing with a mild cheese and some piquant olives.

          [–]username45031Just cover it in never-seez 66 points67 points  (10 children)

          There was a piece that I forgot that’s quite important. They only do that with the storage oil. So they’ll bring a bike in for storage, change the oil, put it away, and then in 6,12,18mths or whatever pull it out and do another change. That’s the oil they reuse.

          [–]outcast302 67 points68 points  (9 children)

          Even so, motorcycle oil contains friction modifiers that I wouldn't want in my car engine.

          [–]PaulWalkerTexasRangr 35 points36 points  (3 children)

          Generally it's the other way around, friction modifiers for high efficiency oil dickers with a wet clutch.

          [–]LtJamesRonaldDangle 13 points14 points  (2 children)

          I think that's what I meant... lol

          [–]LtJamesRonaldDangle 38 points39 points  (2 children)

          Yeah, that should be a no-go.

          Edit: If they did use regular motor oil in the bike just as storage oil, would that oil permeate the clutch enough to cause issues?

          [–]dan7koo 30 points31 points  (1 child)

          Generally any oils that say "low friction" anything additives are not recommended for bike clutches.

          [–]pineapple_calzone 18 points19 points  (3 children)

          I just use lube, but whatever floats your boat.

          [–]ruumoo 153 points154 points  (23 children)

          I think that would be fraud, even though you meant well.

          [–]Ask-about-my-mtDNA 59 points60 points  (3 children)

          Yeah this would be the 10/10 best solution if you were her grandson

          [–]Vegetable_Bug9300 13 points14 points  (6 children)

          I don’t think it would be,

          fraud (by false representation) requires dishonestly making a false representation which is arguably true here, you’ve probably made a false representation by saying you’ve changed the oil if you haven’t, although dishonesty is a subjective term which should be interpreted by a jury in its ‘plain and ordinary meaning’. A jury could decide you are not dishonest depending on your motive.

          Secondly, and more importantly, you must intend, by making the representation, to make a gain or cause a loss (or expose someone to a risk of loss). It seems unlikely that you will have intended to make a gain or cause a loss in this scenario. Perhaps you could argue intent to make a gain of future business or payment in kind but it seems spurious.

          [–]JakeHodgson 10 points11 points  (9 children)

          If you’re not charging, is it still fraud

          [–]NeverBeenStung 22 points23 points  (8 children)

          Probably? She expected new oil and also expected to pay. Like the other guy said, well meaning but probably not the best idea.

          Could be completely wrong though. I’m not a car lawyer.

          [–]JakeHodgson 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          Yeh see I’m only a bike lawyer so it’s only just out of my expertise. Thanks for the insight though!

          [–]SeanBZA 70 points71 points  (1 child)

          Friend used to get a vehicle in every year for a service, 24km on the clock. Towed there by the breakdown 12km, with at least 2 flat tyres, and a very dead battery. Change 4l of clean, pristine engine oil, change oil filter mesh (VW 1600 air cooled boxer engine), change 4 spotless spark plugs, change points and condenser, change fuel filter, drain and fill tank to get the stale fuel out. then 4 new tyres and a new battery.

          All this because this mobile test rig spent all the time not mobile, but parked under cover in the hanger, and the aircraft were brought to it. Never started, all logs pencil whipped.

          I had this vehicle for over a week, just to drive it around, as the interior was off to the calibration workshop for recertification, and the vehicle needed some running. In that time I took this 1969 Renault panel van over the 1000km mark, on the original odometer. Odd to drive though, as it was both left hand drive ( RHD country), and incredibly top heavy, so all corners were undertaken in first gear, rowing down through the box on the way. Bonus though, original asbestos drum brakes all round worked really nicely.

          [–]StupendousMan98 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          Bonus though, original asbestos drum brakes all round worked really nicely.


          [–]jet_heller 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          Yea. I would have trouble charging her too.

          [–]That-1-Red-Shirt 122 points123 points  (36 children)

          The problem is (lol, problem), when she started driving it was standard practice to change every 3 months or 3k miles. Period. She is unable to grasp the fact that oil formulas have changed significantly and the oil is much more stable now. I see it a lot and honestly, if changing brand new oil makes her feel more secure then it is what it is.

          [–]RoebuckThirtyFour 46 points47 points  (15 children)

          Man that brings me back memories of relatives who had customers who owned cars prewar that had some real strange "rules" about maintinance. Although the winner would be the man who came in once a week complaining his hubcaps had "unaligned themselfs".

          [–]LateralThinkererShade Tree 41 points42 points  (6 children)

          Pre-oil-filter cars usually had a ~500 mile oil change interval and of course some of the very first cars were total-loss oiling systems so that it would go through the engine and then drip out on the ground.

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            [–]JDSportsterMotorcycle 15 points16 points  (1 child)

            Have a motorcycle with no oil filter. Change it every 1k, and every 3k I have to pull the oil tank and flush the sludge on the bottom.

            [–]argentcorvid 10 points11 points  (5 children)

            hubcaps had "unaligned themselfs"

            like when stopped they weren't "right" side up, I suppose?

            [–]RoebuckThirtyFour 14 points15 points  (4 children)

            No when they stopped the front wheel volvo "v" would be > and the rear would be <

            [–]slip-shot 35 points36 points  (6 children)

            I do this for my classic car. 1/year oil change. Barely hit 1000 miles right now. Fresh change right before storage.

            [–]Tenpat 20 points21 points  (0 children)

            I suppose it is better than them waiting 8 years/276 miles

            [–]unloaded_spoonShade Tree 935 points936 points  (34 children)

            Used to do these for our elderly clients. I think they enjoyed chatting with the owner and other customers over a cup of coffee. Seems like the oil change was just a reason to get out of the house and do something.

            [–]Ambivadox 1255 points1256 points 4645& 11 more (20 children)

            I had an old guy that lived a few blocks away that was like that. He saw me tinkering with my crap one day and asked if I'd look at his because "it didn't sound right". Over a couple months he'd show up now and again because "something was wrong". Finally told him he didn't need to have an excuse, come on by, we'll have some beers and BS about cars. He just wanted to hang out and was using the car to do it. Sadly he passed on about a year (and lots of beers, late night wrenching, and BS) later. Early 70s LTD wagon bought new off the lot... that was about 20 years ago now, his grandson is still driving her daily, and she still looks brand new.

            [–]unloaded_spoonShade Tree 295 points296 points  (0 children)

            That’s a great story. You’re a good friend to that lonely guy.

            [–]ferdinand-braun 121 points122 points  (9 children)

            comments like yours are the reason I love reddit

            [–]Bigballsquirrel 33 points34 points  (8 children)

            Plot twist he murderer him

            [–]tumaruShade Tree 19 points20 points  (1 child)

            Elderly man kills young man and takes his identity. Only an autopsy years later revealed that this elderly man was just wearing a fake moustache to pull it off.

            [–]dirtiestUniform 966 points967 points  (126 children)

            Does your car need an oil change? Save that oil.

            [–]Ghost_HTX 611 points612 points  (107 children)

            Ha ha!

            We had a customer that did this a while back. He had a mint Astra GTE and a Bedford Rascal. He would drain the Astra every 3000 miles or so, use the waste oil in the Rascal and use the waste oil from the Rascal to paint his shed.

            Recycle, reduce, re-use.

            [–]vieuxfort73 346 points347 points  (77 children)

            Paint his shed with oil?

            [–]Ghost_HTX 388 points389 points  (41 children)

            Yeah - the outside, of course. It is (was back in the day) a cheap alternative to creosote.

            [–]erroneousbosh 270 points271 points  (38 children)

            We used to do that with wooden fences around the farm, a messy smelly job but it stopped the wood rotting. It soaked in pretty quickly.

            [–]bocephus67 240 points241 points  (31 children)

            Id imagine it would go up in flames pretty quickly too

            [–]lotsoluck 190 points191 points  (0 children)

            "you should've seen it!"

            [–]purple63000 102 points103 points  (17 children)

            Quick and easy way to get rid of your fence, way better than having to tear it down and cut it into pieces.

            [–]bocephus67 84 points85 points  (15 children)

            Ive had people come and tear down a completely rotted fence for me for free so they could have the materials for reclaimed bs...

            That was the really easy way

            [–]NeoHenderson 32 points33 points  (8 children)

            Gotta live within 50 miles of a city for offers like that to come up

            [–]Brocko103 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            Nah, those people are everywhere. I live in a town of 11k (about 15k if you count the town across the river) and I have a stupid friend that will go tear down all kinds of dumb shit for the reclaimed wood. He stacks it on pallets on an empty lot, then deals with the neighbor complaints while he lets it rot. I'll steal a board here and there, but besides that, I don't think he's sold or given away any of his precious reclaimed wood.

            [–]Robot_Basilisk 10 points11 points  (1 child)

            Reclaimed kitsch is surprisingly lucrative, depending on where you live. I've met people that turn the scraps from a torn down barn into multiple $100+ dollar "art pieces" that sell to local hipsters.

            And to this weird class of middle and upper class country folk that live in McMansions on 30+ acres on the edge of the suburbs but still like to decorate like they live in a rundown old farmhouse like their grandparents did.

            They have $100k trucks in the driveway parked next to a $100k boat, perfectly manicured lawns, no cattle or crops, and apparently love to fill their homes, garages, and workshops with the debris from old barns and farmhouses...

            [–]nodnreh911 55 points56 points  (6 children)

            Was watching a circus documentary awhile back and they said that people used to waterproof the canvas tents using paraffin wax...that was dissolved in gasoline.

            So, yeah, circus tents used to be covered in what's basically napalm. And folks were shocked when they burned to a crisp.

            [–]quatchNot even remotely a mechanic 29 points30 points  (1 child)

            that's oilcloth for you. You can do the same thing with silicone and naptha.

            [–]nixielover 26 points27 points  (2 children)

            I used to do this with my dad in our garden for the raised beds

            Now 20 years later I realize it may not have been an amazing idea for multiple reasons but that used to be a common thing to do

            [–]SuperSaiyanSkullFuckAll bolts are torque to yield if you try hard enough 53 points54 points  (5 children)

            I had a Volvo 740 and drained the god knows how old oil that was in it when I got it. Smelled mostly of fuel and had lumps in. Left it in the bottle the new oil came in, hidden behind my porch, and someone stole it.

            Saved me the effort of getting rid of it, but... Why?

            [–]Ghost_HTX 43 points44 points  (2 children)

            They probably though ‘yes! New free engine oil’...

            [–]SuperSaiyanSkullFuckAll bolts are torque to yield if you try hard enough 30 points31 points  (1 child)

            I hope they poured it into their engine without looking, they also stole some wood I was keeping for a woodwork project.

            [–]AcexOFxKnaves 32 points33 points  (8 children)

            Depends some say even if the car is sitting to change the oil yearly, but I had a couple trucks I drove maybe twice a year and the oil was always golden. But then you find YouTube videos of trucks that have been sitting a couple” years and the oil is like sludge so it confuses people who really don’t know.

            [–]musicalrssnroulette 28 points29 points  (3 children)

            I believe it depends on the condition of the oil before it sits, if the oils close to needing changed then it probably breaks down further over time just sitting there

            If it’s golden and only been driven 23 miles I’m sure there’s little to no buildups in the oil yet, so it’s probably just like storing the oil but in a clean engine

            [–]M_bolc 13 points14 points  (2 children)

            It won’t change color just sitting, but the detergents and other things that make it “cling” to metal degrade over time. So changing it every year is advisable

            [–]erybodibutmeh 548 points549 points  (36 children)

            I used to be at a military air base.

            We would use a 1996 dodge ram sometimes. Outside was beat, faded, looked like a 20 year old work truck. Odometer read 10k miles and the interior was pristine.

            Same base ordered 2 F350s back in the early 90s to use as tugs. Custom made super SWB dually, with dual wheels in the front, and AWD with 460s in them. We scrapped them in ,2017 because the axles had seized with rust. Outside looked like it had sat in a junkyard all that time, interior was still show room quality. Between the 2 of them they had less than 400 miles in nearly 30 years.

            [–]CommodorePerson 197 points198 points  (18 children)

            What a shame. Mint condition obs interior parts are hard to find

            [–]erybodibutmeh 227 points228 points  (16 children)

            The government waste so much damn money. They removed a $10 million simulator to renovate it's space, left it outside, and let it get ruined because they forgot to wrap it. Top it off, they actually forgot where they out this thing thats the size of a 2 story house.

            [–]Sith_Apprentice 92 points93 points  (2 children)

            Oops, that obsolete simulator we couldn't get replaced has been ruined. I guess we'll just have to put a new one in its place.

            [–]erybodibutmeh 56 points57 points  (1 child)

            It was brand new, top of the line lol. Helped them install it, then a month late remove it so they could fix up the building it was in. I think they we're adding cooling to protect the simulator.

            [–]09Klr650 21 points22 points  (0 children)

            So they thought they should try some "water cooling" in the meantime?

            [–]pinkycatcher 21 points22 points  (2 children)

            Just go look at their surplus, I used to buy surplus trailers, you can get a 10 year old never before used (as in the CD with the manual is still taped in the bed) trailer that cost the government $10k for $600-$1000. Some of these things literally got made, got delivered and then sat in a lot for 8 years before being sold. There's no way some of them were used. An absolute waste.

            At the same time you'd find trailers that were beat to hell in the same lot, you could tell these were used a ton.

            Why not just like, rotate what you're using so you don't beat the shit out of one and have a pristine one.

            [–]TacticalSpackle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            Sounds like military. Plagued by the Peter principle (everyone gets promoted until they just barely do their job well enough not to be fired) and every last product is made/furnished/bought from the lowest bidder for the cheapest cost.

            [–]CommodorePerson 31 points32 points  (1 child)

            That obs could have survived forever if they just fluid filmed if so it wouldn't have rustsed. What a bunch of fuck heads

            [–]KermittehFrog 15 points16 points  (2 children)

            We (Army base) got some 80s and 90s F150s and Rams that are falling apart and full of rust. Most have less than 15k miles. Still use them for hauling stuff sometimes. Our 2013 Rams had to be auctioned off because they had issues, so naturally they ordered new F150s... the circle of life.

            [–]nightwing2024 9 points10 points  (2 children)

            Yep that sounds like the military. Unbelievable amount of wasteful spending.

            [–]One_pop_each 18 points19 points  (1 child)

            I work on ground service equipment in the Air Force. The only time a brand new Lieutenant has ever made a drastic change was when they changed our inspection requirements to hourly and not by duration of time.

            We used to have Phase 1 and Phase 2 inspections. Happened like once a year. We had to bring everything in that was due, and change all fluids and filters, along with wheel bearings and all sorts of shit. A few of us bitched to him how stupid it is. He somehow got in touch with the MAJCOM and got approval to do a study on everything.

            About a year later, our work cards changed to reflect that every 6 months, as long as 125 hours haven’t passed, we do an ops check, wash & lube moving parts and sign it off.

            Probably saved millions. That change went into affect across out entire career field in the Air Force.

            [–]stonewall1979 140 points141 points  (18 children)

            Grew up in the 80s & 90s next to a guy who did this with his 72 corvette. He put a couple hundred miles per year on it and changed the oil twice a year, tires every other year. I asked, he said he never took it to the track, just out on an occasionally sunny day and to a local show one in a while. Then back to the garage and under cover.

            Weird guy, but it wasnt my money.

            [–]laetus 50 points51 points  (6 children)

            Why not just put the car on jack stands so the tires don't deform from standing still so long? They should last way more than 2 years...

            [–]stonewall1979 41 points42 points  (2 children)

            He was a weird guy. I agree, a little different preventative maintenance schedule would have saved him a lot of money, but in his mind I think he was spending money ro protect his investment. And like a little kid with ketchup, if a little is good, a lot is better. The more you spend, the more the car must be worth, right?

            [–]number__tenShade Tree 18 points19 points  (0 children)

            Gees, the tires on that gen are so expensive too.

            [–]Lwn3 300 points301 points  (59 children)

            Sorry for the noob question, but is there a recommended time that an oil change is recommended if you don't put many miles on? I thought there was, but have never had to go by that because I put on about 350 miles per week for work alone, so this has never been a concern of mine. Just curious.

            [–]OBD-1_Kenobi 224 points225 points  (31 children)

            Most say a year at maximum but that's never really accounted for a car that was driven 23 miles. There are new oils which claim you can go 20,000 miles, but should change at the year mark as well. A lot of auto manufacturers are pushing 10,000 mile intervals now, but even for say a 5,000 mile interval, most drivers will do that in under a year. I would bet most people aiming for a 5,000 mile interval would still recommend changing the oil after a year and only about 3,000 miles, but after just 23 I don't know if any of the detergents would have broken down much more than they would have sitting on the shelf.

            [–]Aquanauticul 36 points37 points  (2 children)

            Don't forget about water inclusion! After a year of sitting, condensation can build up in the case, etc and drip down into the oil, or be mixed up on startup. After a year, the lubrication and detergents are still fine, but there's stuff in there you would still want to remove in best practice.

            [–]NoradIV 71 points72 points  (3 children)

            The thing is, that oil was still in contact with contaminants. In this specific case, the oil is probably changed enough that there isn't that much left contaminant from the previous oil change, but still.

            I kinda see it as "refrigerate after opening" kinda deal.

            I wouldn't change that specific oil, but I would even if the car just did 500 miles.

            [–]OBD-1_Kenobi 7 points8 points  (2 children)

            Yeah I'd change it before she managed to drive 500 miles at least.

            [–]veryloudmonstercat 7 points8 points  (2 children)

            Off-topic, I love your username

            [–]OBD-1_Kenobi 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            Thank you and may the torques be with you.

            [–]pontoumporcento 20 points21 points  (4 children)

            I know some people that have expensive cars and never drive them, they also never change the oil by time. Like I've seen 4yo oil that looked like the one in OP picture, since the vehicle just sat for that whole period.

            [–]krazytekn0 20 points21 points  (9 children)

            Reading these stories blows my mind. I spend most of my time in a driver's seat and I generally wait for 5k miles because I don't have time to change my oil every 4 weeks

            [–]mollymurph 35 points36 points  (7 children)

            I knew a guy, in his eighties, that owned a old Ford E-350 based motorhome. He absolutely believed that he had the ability to pull the stick, look at, and feel the oil to determine if it was "worn out". Since he possessed this magical skill, he would put a few months and 1500 miles or so, of very gentle use on the thing. Then pull the stick, see that his oil was no longer bright gold colored, and determine that it wasn't usable. Next it was dropping $60-100+ at a shop to throw away a nearly new filter and oil.

            Nothing could convince him otherwise. He refused to spend $20 on testing his "used" oil, and ignored any honest tech. who didn't want to take his money. It was crazy, but he was stubborn as a mule, and hostile to anybody who tried to talk any sense into his rock hard head.

            [–]KSI_SpacePeanut 19 points20 points  (0 children)

            At least that means he likely won’t have any dirty old oil issues

            [–]Deadmenkil 8 points9 points  (4 children)

            I too possess this ability, but I do not possess the money to change my oil more frequently than every 5000 to 7500 miles so the ability goes mostly unused.

            [–]mollymurph 7 points8 points  (3 children)

            LOL. Reminds me of an old David Atell comedy bit. He talks of being struck by lightning, while walking down the street one day. He was told that being struck can give you super powers. He found that his super power was the ability to flop on the sidewalk like a fish, and shit himself, after being struck.

            [–]makeski25 205 points206 points  (4 children)

            Man there is no pleasing you guys. You mad when it comes out like jello, you mad when it comes out clean make up your damn minds.


            [–]One-Eyed-Willies 34 points35 points  (0 children)

            This made me laugh harder than it should have.

            [–]pierresdad 101 points102 points  (12 children)

            My aunt bought a Honda Civic brand new in 1985. She was in her early 80s and within months quit driving. Her neighbor drove her in her car to doctors appointments and once every six months the car was driven to the dealership for an oil change.

            My (now wife) girlfriend bought the car in 2000 with 6000 miles. The oil had been changed 26 times.

            [–]land8844Riced out to maximum ghetto 27 points28 points  (9 children)

            That's almost twice a year. And for that age of car (I'm also guessing it was carbed), I'd say that's pretty reasonable.

            [–]pierresdad 26 points27 points  (8 children)

            that's an average of approximately 230 miles per oil change. Twenty miles of that was the drive to the dealership and back.

            [–]brotheratkhesahn 146 points147 points  (32 children)

            Why a lot of oil change places put the mileage and date for the next oil change, so elderly folks like my mom think there's an expiration date.

            [–]Brianthelion83ASE Master Certified[S] 74 points75 points  (1 child)

            Our stickers show today’s date, today’s mileage, and next recommended mileage and has a check box for if it has a maintenance light

            [–]tux_unit 46 points47 points  (24 children)

            Uh, yes it does. The additives start to come out of suspension eventually.

            [–]bsdunix4ever 172 points173 points  (30 children)

            My 78 year old mother bought a new Kia a couple of years ago. Pre-lockdown made a 1.2 mile round trip to church once a week. She gets the oil changed every three months. After her fourth oil change when the car had less than 100 miles on it the dealership managed to talk her into 6 month oil change intervals. The car is now three years old, has less than 200 miles on it, and has had easily 6 oil changes.

            I told her that someday I’ll be running an ad to sell a low milage immaculate Kia, driven back and forth to church by an old lady.

            “Never been driven faster than 35 mph in all of those 475 miles.”

            [–]TheCrazyTater 101 points102 points  (4 children)

            Take that thing out for an Italian tune up sometime

            [–]Bumblemore 42 points43 points  (0 children)

            Or at least a 30-minute highway cruise to get everything nice and hot.

            [–]land8844Riced out to maximum ghetto 34 points35 points  (1 child)

            Yes, especially if it's a GDI. Wind it out a few times.

            [–]russelln 15 points16 points  (8 children)

            Kinda crazy that she doesn't just take a taxi at that point.

            [–]bsdunix4ever 23 points24 points  (4 children)

            My parents have started the “two vehicles are a luxury, we’re on a fixed income, we might go to one car soon.” conversation. Never mind that they are still saving money every month.

            I highly doubt my mother will ever set foot in a taxi or uber. Not as long as my Dad or her two children can still drive anyways.

            [–]manshamer 12 points13 points  (2 children)

            Or vespa! Or golf cart! Shit there are so many cool ways to travel a mile that doesn't cost a brand new car.

            [–]CartelClarke 26 points27 points  (1 child)

            Tried explaining this to my grandpa many times. To be honest I think he just uses it as an excuse to get out of the house and “work on his car”. I think just being at the shop even as a customer brought back memories of his younger days. Money isn’t a problem for them so I just stopped trying to convince him not to.

            [–]easywriter 29 points30 points  (5 children)

            If you don’t yet have older retired parents be advised that they start doing this kind of thing just to have something to do.

            There’s no arguing or reason that you can use to talk them out of it. In their heart of hearts they know it too. But their world gradually becomes smaller. Their “job” becomes taking care of their stuff, or keeping their house insanely neat, tidy and organized. A whole day becomes defined around a single activity like “oh to